Circling The Drain

Unknown: There was a guy that
big fan of Phil's show, Phil

Valentine's show, he told me on
the phone. He said, You know,

you guys changed me. And I said,
How was that? He said I was

looking for a music on the
radio. He said I was very

liberal. I turned to your
station. He said, I heard this

really cool Steve Earle song. He
says, pretty deep cut, and he

said, and all of a sudden I
started hearing Phil talk, and

he said I was disagreeing with
him, but I noticed that I

couldn't turn away. And I kept
listening. And he said I kept

noticing the music was really
cool. And he said, and all of a

sudden I noticed, the longer I
stayed with the show, I was

starting to change my mind, and
he said, I totally went the

other direction. He said it was
all because of you guys,

interesting, and that was very
that touched me.

Welcome to a podcast about music
and entertainment before it all

goes down the disposal. This is
circling the drain.

Hey, welcome back into circling
the drain, the podcast that

tries to keep the entertainment
business maybe ourselves from

going down the garbage disposal.
My name is Johnny Beale or John

E Bozeman, right over here.
We've got my man. Jay Harper,

yes, I'm trying to avoid the
drain here today. Johnny B

and A man that does, he does

avoid the drain, right? Jim,
well, he's kind of in charge of

the drain.

So, yes, he is. He's in charge
of the disposal. He can put us

down the

disposal, right? He's the drain
keeper, the drain gatekeeper.

I am adding that to my LinkedIn
profile. As you speak,

glad I could be of service.

And by the way, you definitely
want to follow us on all the

YouTube

and betcha, we're on YouTube. We
are on Facebook. Of course, the

podcast come out every Wednesday
morning. Yes, and we also have

Twitter feed, and we're on
Instagram. So all of the social

media platforms now, you know
Johnny, I looked into Twitch and

rumble and some of these other
platforms that are out there.

Have no clue how they work. So
we're not we're not there. I

don't know. We may never end up
on those platforms. Are we on

frackle? What the frack are you
talking about MySpace? Maybe.

Are we?

Is MySpace

still around? Yeah, yeah. Is it
really

and whenever I want to feel like
I need to take a shower, I go

there and log in. Oh, gosh, it's
one of those. It's like, you go

and you log in and check out,
and you're like, Oh, I feel

dirty though.

Well, speaking up, we could
always join fans, only

fans only. Yeah, we could only
fans, or whatever.

Only fans. That's what it is.
Only fans, that's what it is.

Well, heck, let's get started

on it. Have

you seen the derivatives of it
like only drummers? No, it's

like a problem. Why did I think

that's a great derivative about
only

podcasters. There you go. Yeah,
guys that are out of shape, like

we're glad to have you in for
this episode. I want to cover a

few things we've had. Some
people basically want to tell us

that we missed a lot of
musicians that became actors, or

at least tried to or tried to.
And one was and very

interesting. I always say that,
but it is interesting. Yes, it

is Randy Travis,

you know. And I really, I know
that he was in some things prior

to his, you know, his medical
issues, yes, but I don't recall

what they were. I mean, do you
know exactly what

you know? I don't remember. I
don't recall the Yeah, I have

seen him because my wife watches
a lot of things that I don't

really care for, right? That you
know, like the Hallmark movies

now, see my My wife hates that
stuff, so I'm good there, but

what she likes to what she's
always watching are these crime

shows, you know, the real life
crime things on, you know,

investigation, discovery and the
oxygen channel, and they always

seem to be these stories about
how These women murdered their

husbands.

Yeah, are they doing

homework? Like, yeah, exactly,
you know what? Why are you

taking notes over there? What
are you doing? You know,

watching these shows. So, yeah,
so I have to sleep with one eye

open.

Well, I think we all do. And,
yeah, it's very interesting. You

know, I've always, it's always
women. Women love the true crime

show. Well, I do too. I mean, I
enjoy watching that stuff. I get

roped into, yeah, you know,
where the date lines and the,

you know, 20, what? 48 hours,
those guys, those 2020, those

investigative shows. You know, I
enjoy a lot of those as well.

I used to like the one, I guess
it was. Um, I guess it may have

been 48 hours. Was that what it
was? I can't remember, but they

would always surprise the guy,
the guy be sitting at the

kitchen table, and, you know,
the guy would come out,

I think, yeah, I don't know
which of those. It was 2020, or

48 one of those. One of those,
yeah, where you had the guy that

was chasing the the pedophiles?
Yes, you know, and having fake

pedophile profiles on some of
these scenes, and you know, the

guy would show up, you know, to
meet, you know, with a bottle of

baby oil in a box of condoms

and a bottle of wine, yes, To
Catch A Predator.

Yeah, something Yeah, something
along that line, yeah. And in

out would pop. I forget the
guy's name. Yeah, did. Though, I

know there's Jim looking it up
for us, but you know, he would

confront the guy in the you
know, who had just shown up, and

he's in the kitchen, and out
walks the reporter. So, yeah,

Chris Hanson, yeah. So Hi, I'm
Chris Hanson with ABC News. So

what brings you here with a
bottle of baby oil and a box of

condoms

and a cat of nine tails, I'm not
here. I need

to get out of here, though. This
is all just, oh no. I was just,

hey, I'm here to protect this
young woman. That's the only

reason I showed up.

I and then the guy would try to
leave the place, and then the

police.

Have you ever want to see what
someone looks like when their

life flashes before their eyes?

Man, I'm Chris Hanson,

life is over like when Mike
Wallace exactly walk in on

people, you know,

pop in when they would see Mike
Wallace, it would be the yeah,

as you say, Johnny the My life
is overlooked.

Oh, God, everything,

yeah. I mean, was that dude a
bulldog or what?

Oh, he was man, yeah.

He was really, he was really
something, you know, and I can

imagine, you know, what he would
have been like at restaurants,

or, you know, in terms of, like,
you know, people that would have

to serve that guy, yeah, yeah.
You definitely

wouldn't want him to give you a
review

on you. No, no,

yeah, you would have to make
sure that everything is is 100%

the way it's supposed to be. But
go back to we also had another

person that reminded me that,
Travis tritt, yeah, country

singer, very good singer, by the
way, not a bad actor.

Yes, he was in some western
theme. Yes, he was and

and he also played a, I don't
know what show it was on, but

he, like, played this doctor
that was really demented. He was

really good at

so that was Dr Demento, yeah, I

didn't know that Travis. Didn't
know that Travis did well,

when I was a little kid. Man,
that was, that was the cool

radio show.

Dr Demento, we talked about
Uncle greasy grease. Man, he was

at the big ape UAP and

what a doodle. Everyone, yeah,
very big Lisa, That's

old school, right? Well, that is
old school. That's old school

radio, right there.

But, but, you know, Johnny, we,
you know, we love those comments

that we get, you know, we do
know for things that maybe we

missed, or, you know,
suggestions like, hey, you know

Johnny and Jay and Jim, your
conversation reminded me of X.

Why don't you talk about that?
Hey, we want to hear that.

Yes, we do. We respond to you.
And I also want to respond to

some folks that have come up to
me. I haven't really, I've not

seen this on social media, but I
get it in person, they'll go,

why aren't you talking about
politics? John, yeah, why aren't

you talking Why aren't you
talking politics? Boy, well,

frankly, I did it for so long
that I kind of got burned out

on Oh, and it's, it's easy to
get burned out on it. And, you

know, it is such a divisive
subject. I mean, you know,

Johnny and I have, you know, we
discuss what we wish to talk

about, and before this circling
the drain podcast came to

fruition, right? Johnny and I
had meetings of them, you know,

discussions about what should we
talk about? And we ultimately

determine, you know, there are
so many sources for the

political debate out there,

Facebook, Twitter and not, and
not just political pundits.

Everybody is a political pundit.

You know, talk radio. You know,
there are all sorts of places

for that stuff. And like you
say, Johnny, I mean, you know,

we kind of get beaten over the
head with it every day, yes, on

social media and whatnot. So for
us, this is kind of a it's a

respite from all that stuff,

exactly. It's more fun at this
point in my life. I just like to

have a little fun.

You and me both. Yeah, you

know, the reason. Recent events
with the assassination of

Charlie Kirk, which is certainly
heartbreaking, and that that's

all you see on social media now.
And and I understand it's a

it's, you know, it's an
emotional issue. It is for

people on both sides of the
political spectrum.

They're saying it emotionally.
It's at the impact of 911 almost

a similar I

would kind of agree with that,
because

what upset me, and I wasn't
really a Charlie Kirk follower,

so much I did, like the fact
that the guy wanted debate, and

that's what I miss in talk radio
today, is that you're not

getting or even policy dialog,
yeah, just dialog. It doesn't

matter if we disagree, right?
Let's, let's, let's debate,

let's talk. Yeah, and that's
what he was doing in these

colleges. And I have to applaud
the guy right for doing that. I

mean, it's

almost like Dave Mason, you
know, there are no good guys.

There's no bad guys. It's just
you and we just disagree

exactly, you know exactly? Why
can't we just have a civil

discourse?

But, but the thing that I cannot
stomach, and I really found

myself, and there are people,
and there's our friends of mine,

some are family members that are
cheering that this guy got

assassinated, that I cannot
understand at all. I don't care

if you I mean, there's plenty of
people that I have disagreed

with. Well, if I, if I saw
someone on the very far left,

same thing happened to them, I
wouldn't be cheering it. No, of

course not. Not at all. Just
because I disagree with them

doesn't mean that I wish them
ill will.

You know, as far as a non I
mean, this was a political

assassination. However, it was
not a politician per se, that

was struck down. I was a little
bitty kid when Martin Luther

King Jr was assassinated. Was
like eight years old or

something, and I remember
hearing the news about it, but,

you know, as a little kid, I
and, of course, no social media,

so, you know, you didn't get all
of this vitriol for the public

to consume about that issue. But
I can only imagine that it's

this is probably pretty similar
event in terms of, you know, one

side of the political spectrum
being outraged, and I would like

to think that a lot of people
that were conservative back in

68 when King was assassinated,
were outraged by that as well.

Yes, but I don't know if there's
been any other murder of a

public figure that has really
impacted the nation the way that

this Kirk assassination has,
other than perhaps Martin Luther

King, you know, going back 50
years.

Yeah, I would agree. And I
think, and really it's impacted

the world. I mean, you saw a lot
of people come together in

remembering Charlie Kirk, even
across the pond.

Yeah, and I don't ever recall
seeing so many people that are

of the you know, that are on the
left side of the political

ledger getting terminated by
their employers. Well, you're

not kidding. You know. I mean,
we have all heard of folks

expressing conservative and
quote, unquote right wing views

losing their job right now. You
know, rarely did you hear

anybody you know, espousing the
leftist stuff and getting fired,

but they are now, well, on this
particular issue, this has been,

you know, turning point, man,
uh, boy, he named it correctly.

Yeah, he sure did, but

they made him I mean it, I have
to say in death, his message is

becoming even more resonant. I
mean, kids are really, really

flocking to his message,

and a lot of college campuses
now asking to have their own

chapters of the of the turning
point organization,

and not only that, but also got
a lot of people to go to church,

which was quite astonishing. I
mean, the guy had had quite an

impact on our society. And you
know, either people that were

pro or anti Charlie Kirk, I
never find anybody really in the

middle when it comes to him?
There's a few. But yeah, he had

quite an impact on people.

He was to speak at the World
outreach church in Murfreesboro.

Yes, he was here in the in the
near future. So, you know, it

makes you wonder if, will this
curtail conservatives from

getting out and speaking in
large groups like

this? I don't think so. I think
what needs to happen is there

needs to be better security.
Because what I saw from from his

appearance was I thought, man,
there's not much.

Why don't they sweep the
rooftops of these places? I

don't know what it is about.

But, you know, lately, but it
just seems like they don't

really check rooftops

anymore. I think he had his own
security detail. Yeah, he

did, but I think I would have
had something a little more.

Yes, I'm sure the man probably
had all kinds of death threats

all the time. You're getting a
word from a lot of conservative

lawmakers now, Nancy mace comes
to mind, the congresswoman from

who I used to know when I was
working the Citadel sports

stuff, because she's the first
female Citadel graduate, yeah.

But anyway, you know, she has
said that the just the horrible

death threat. Matter of fact,
she played some of them on

social media, she recorded some
voicemails that she received, oh

yeah, just, I'm going to kill
you. I'm going to kill your

children. I'm going to rape you.
I'm going to just disgusting

stuff. Oh, it is. And, you know,
she says that she carries, oh

yeah, you have to. You have to.
I mean, I remember, I was

working with Phil Valentine. He
got, he got threatened on the

air by someone with Antifa. I
don't want to give the guy's

names. I don't want to give him
any any more publicity than he's

ever had. But, you know, it was
a very strange call, because he

started out very nice, very
polite, but probably in the

scope of about two minutes, he
immediately went to, I'm going

to come down to the station and
I'm going to get you. And I love

Phil's answer, bring it.

Thanks for the warning.

Well, Phil carried

I wouldn't be challenging.

Mr. Valentine, well, you know,
Johnny, we say, and I guess this

discussion we've had thus far
could be deemed political in a

sense. But as we said, though we
really want to concentrate on,

you know, just other more
lighthearted things, yes, but by

the same token, I don't think we
should ignore some of these

heavily impactful events. Well,
this one was huge. So I, you

know, it certainly bears
exploring like we, like we've

been doing. I think,

Well, I think, I think what this
what this needs to teach people.

And I've seen people on the
other side that have been

horrified by some of the
comments that are out there,

even John Lennon's son, Sean, I
noticed on Twitter, came out and

said that even though he didn't
agree with Charlie Kirk. He

said, You know, there are
children that are fatherless

right now, his children are
fatherless. His wife doesn't

have a husband. He said, I lived
through something like this. He

said, Yeah, that, yeah, you need
to remember that. Yeah. Great

point. And I think that's what
we need to we need to get back

to, as we were saying in the
beginning. Let's get back to

dialog. Let's get back to
there's nothing wrong with

having a debate with one another
when you don't agree, but keep

it civilized. There's no reason
to go down the road of, you

know, wanting to hurt someone,
threatening people, because all

that tells me is that you've run
out of ammunition. You've run

out of bullets.

No pun, no pun intended there,

yeah, but, but you've just
basically run out of ammunition

in your

dialog. You know, Charlie Kirk
left a one year old son and a

three year old daughter. Well,
it's

heartbreaking. What? And you
talk about a family that seemed

to really love one another. I
mean, they really, I mean, the

guy had everything

he had. He really embodied his
faith too. Yeah, he did

31 years old. It's just, yeah,
it's sad.

But as I said, there is a
positive. He did bring a lot of

more people to faith. I noticed
that over the weekend after his

shooting, that, you know, the
churches were full. People were

really turning to their
religion, even people that

didn't agree with

him. Yeah, a lot of vigils out
there

celebrating the man's life and
acknowledging his, uh,

acknowledging his

statements and his impact on on
society. And, you know, I think

that's a good thing, I tell you,
though it those kind of big

gatherings, though they they
still scare me. They shouldn't

be some other left wing nut
thinking, Hey, man, the boy,

there's a there's a whole group,
a whole group I can target

Exactly. Yeah, that's what's
scary. That's what it's come to

in this country. Well, it is,
and that's one reason I kind of

gotten burned out on, as I said,
politics. I mean, I loved

working in talk radio, and it
was a lot of fun for a while,

but it started not to be,
because I noticed that

everything was starting to get a
little more. There was more

static, there was more, you
know, violence, and there wasn't

debate anymore. It was people
calling each other names,

screaming at one another. I. I
can't go for

that. I'm with you. And you
know, the times that I fill in

on the conservative talk station
here in Nashville, on news, you

know, I will sit there and
listen to all that stuff from

our, you know, from the hosts
that are all outstanding at what

they do. Yes, they are. They're
very good. But I must admit

that, you know, after a few
days, I'm just like, gosh, I

couldn't do this every day. Now,
you know, listening to that day,

and I know a lot of people eat
it up. That's why the station is

so successful. Here they are,
you know, I filled in as a host

a couple of times and and I I
talked about the, you know, the

I know what the audience wants.
They want conservative political

talk, and I gave him some of
that, but I also I had Dale,

Darryl Worley and John Barry for
extended segments, and started

getting complaints, you know, on
the text line, oh, yeah, why are

you? Why aren't you talking
about Kamala Harris? And again,

I couldn't do that every day. I
just, I get my gut full of it

pretty quick.

Well, that's me, Jay. I mean, I
had the same thing. My wife was

really pushing me. She goes, You
know, you need to go for your

own show. And I said, Well, I
would love to, but I don't think

I would do the show that they
want. Yeah? Day one day out they

want. They want red meat. Yeah.
I mean, that's all they want.

They want. They want total
political talk. And I just can't

do a show

like, yeah, to me, it gets it
gets exhausting pretty quick.

Well, it does. You know,

you see enough, like you said on
Facebook, and Facebook's just a

big echo chamber. There's no
one. You're not convincing

anybody. No, you know, you're
not winning anybody over to your

side. I mean, the thing about
talk radio is that at least you

can turn tone. You could discern
attitude, things of that nature,

and a dialog can happen, and
hopefully it's almost face to

face. You know, you know that's
I always tell people in a

political argument or discussion
or dialog, do it face to face.

Exactly we're supposed to do it.

It was very interesting. There
was a guy that big fan of Phil's

show, Phil Valentine's show, and
I was talking to him on the

phone. He was he was dying from
cancer, but he told me on the

phone, he said, you know, you
guys changed me. And I said, How

was that? He said I was on the I
was looking for a music on the

radio. He said I was very
liberal. He said I was looking

for music on the radio. And he
said, I turned to your station.

He said I heard this really cool
Steve Earl song. He said I

recognized it. He says, pretty
deep cut. And he said, I was

tuned in, and he said, and all
of a sudden I started hearing

Phil talk, and he said I was
disagreeing with him, but I

noticed that I couldn't turn
away. And I kept listening. And

he said, I kept noticing the
music was really cool, and he

said, and all of a sudden I
noticed, the longer I stayed

with the show, I was starting to
change my mind. And he said, I

totally went the other
direction. He said, it was all

because of you guys interesting,
and that was very that touched

me.

Sales, 101, see,

I lured him in. Everybody always
said, Why are you playing those

liberals on it. I said, because
that draws people in, right?

Liberals May, I mean, you can,
you can complain about liberals

all you want, but they make
great music. Yeah, they not.

If I played Pat Boone, nobody
would listen.

And speaking of, you know,
speaking of entertainment, we

lost great, great actor,
director, he's been in our lives

probably as long as we've been.

Oh, absolutely. Robert Redford,
yes. And Charles Robert Redford,

yeah, Robert was his middle
name. But a long, productive

life and having quite an impact.
And in other areas, with the,

you know, the film festivals
that he created that are very

respected and renowned now. And,
you know, he certainly was left

leaning very much so. But one of
those guys, though, that you

knew his stance on stuff, but he
to me anyway, I don't know how

you fellas feel about it. You
knew that he was a left wing

liberal, but he didn't try to
really cram it down your throat.

Well, no, no, he could be
reasonable. I mean, you know, he

was in the White House once with
George W Bush when he won. I

forget what the medal is.

They get presidential, the
president of freedom. Yes,

something like, which Charlie
Kirk is going to get posthumous.

Yes, he is from President Trump.

But yeah, yeah, I thought Robert
Redford was, you know,

he was, he was also, he's of the
silent generation as well. Yes,

before the boomers. So I think
that makes. A big difference?

Well, he was so cool. I remember
the first movie I saw him in

1969 as Butch Cassidy, yeah,
gosh, he was cool

in that. And did he and Paul
Newman not have the, I mean,

some of the best on screen
chemistry with, yeah, with the

sting and the Butch Cassidy and
Sundance Kid, you know. And I

really didn't realize how much
older Paul Newman was then,

then, then Redford. I mean,
yeah, Newman died at age 83 a

long time ago, yeah, you know.
So yeah. But boy, their on

stream chemistry was just It was
magical.

It really was. They were a great
duo. And also, if you ever look

at look it up on on Google
images or wherever you can. But

there's some great photos of
Robert Redford when he was in

Nashville, hanging out with
Waylon and Willie. It was when

Waylon had shaved off part of
his beard. He just had a

mustache, and for some reason
he's carrying a book on Adolf

Hitler. I don't know why.

I don't know if Robert gave it
to him. So what, what kind, how

did that mustache look? Uh,
Johnny,

well, it wasn't the good old,
okay, yeah, all

right, just, just checking,
yeah. So it wasn't the Charlie

Chaplin, Adolph Hitler,

but they, I think they were
having a discussion about doing

electric horsemen, because
originally, Waylon was supposed

to be in that with Willie, but
Waylon for some reason,

well, you know a song by Willie
that came from that film. My

heroes have always been cowboys.
Yes, I think that's one of

Willie's best performances. Oh,
it really was. He just

absolutely nailed

that at midnight. Rider he did
on that too, the That's right,

yeah, and he did a good version
of that. That's right, I've

forgotten about that. That's why
you're Johnny B that's why

you're Jay Harper. That's why
he's Jim McCarthy

or Chris or, yeah,

Chris or whoever. Oh, that's
another thing I have to cover

with you guys. Oh, really, let's
get into some personal stuff

here. Because my sister, which,
you know, it really touched my

heart. My oldest sister, called
me to tell me how much she's

enjoying this podcast. Great.
But she said, John. I said,

What? She goes, What's that
fella's name that? I said, Jim

McCarthy, yeah, I keep wanting
to call him Chris. I said, well,

it runs in the family. I gotta
tell on you two guys, because I

got to hang out with both of you
away from here.

One was at the

opening of the podcast studio
the East base. Is young, yeah.

And Jim invited both of us, but
Jim, Joe, Joe, Jay couldn't make

it. Joe Jay couldn't make that
one, but, but you, but she would

have loved it, Jay, because they
were giving away guitars at this

thing,

they gave away three guitars.

And I thought to myself, my wife
put her card in there. I bet

anything. I'm thinking this to
myself, I bet anything, she's

gonna win one. You willed it
into existence. I did. And when

they announced the last one, she
won it. And you should have seen

her, I couldn't touch it. I
said, Honey, do you want me to

hold that for you? No, no, but
yeah, she, she won the guitar,

and it's now in her

Yeah, you had sent me a photo. I
think maybe even you posted that

on a photo of your wife just
beaming and, you know, and

looking totally oblivious to
you. And you know, she every

guys weren't there.

Yeah, none of us existed. That
guitar was all that. That was a

fun get together. I appreciated
you inviting us, of course,

yeah, every Graham, we gotta
have those guys on too.

Yeah, yeah. We're trying to
figure figure it out, because

they, all four of them want to
be on. And I'm like, Well, we're

gonna have to do it at your
place. Then, yeah, be tough to

sit everybody around this table.
It only accommodates so many

people.

People be sitting on laps that
might

start rumors. So have you gotten
any other comments from family

members on the podcast?

I have not. That's been the only
family

member that I think my wife is
loving it. She is just thinking

it's so much fun, which, you
know, I'm glad she feels that

way. And, you know, she's and
Jim, perhaps you're the same

way. I think a lot of husbands
are, you know, you know, when

your wife kind of approves of
things, it feels good. Yeah.

It's like, well, you know, maybe
I'm not the bumbling idiot she

thinks I am most of the time. So
it's like, you know, part of

something that you like
something, when you're part of

something cool, and

you happen to go to bed at
night, it's kind of all of a

sudden,

you hear this in the background.
We have, I'm on a podcast. Yes,

let's go right to. On the drink,

somebody order a pizza? Yeah,

here's your pizza.

What a pepperoni with that did
anyway, also

the little Italian sausage.

Well before things, my wife does
like the podcast as well. In

fact, she she's constantly
turning people on to show them,

tell them how to get there, and
all that.

My wife has done that too, and I
must say this, Johnny, yes, you

know. And we keep saying we're
going to do this, and we will.

We're going to get the four of
us, and perhaps Jim and his wife

as well, get, get all of us
together for a dinner or

something.

We need to because I got to meet
Jim's wife. Yeah, I got to meet

Jim's wife at the get together
in Brentwood where Glenna won

the guitar.

Well, she's great, my wife, you
know, again, she hasn't met you

in person yet, but she said,
Johnny, he's adorable. She

thinks you're adorable. Wow. And
let me tell you, that's you have

passed some tough muster there.

Even my wife doesn't say that.
She doesn't call me adorable.

Courtney has said that, not
adorable, but she instantly

liked you, which says a lot.
She's a hugely discerning

person. Well, I really liked
her. You have a great wife.

Thank you. And one of the things
that I'm going to give to you

guys is this really works. This
is great.

Marketing. Oh, I like that.
Yeah, this people will ask

you, and it's like, my I gave it
to my wife, and she's like, What

do I say?

Really? All you got to do, what
school you in that?

Yeah, yes. What's the answer?
Like?

Send them to the the site on the
back, and everything's right

there.

So, well, I do have another
family member I should he's

actually a surgeon up in New
Jersey. My on my wife's side,

he's an in law. But this guy
just loves the podcast, and his

wife loves it more so. So, yeah,
that's

because you're You're adorable.

That's debatable. But anyway,
with Jay, I got to hang out at

the big Music City Grand Prix
Over at the National Speedway,

empty car race. Man, that was
cool. Was that cool? Or why?

What's my but I gotta tell you,
Jay, I gotta tell this story,

because really, guys, we got in
the wrong business. You know, we

got into broadcasting thinking
we're gonna get girls. We got

girls, all right, but you should
see, I couldn't believe he took

me down to the pit, and all I
saw were these young blonde

girls wearing belly shirts and
very short shorts with cowboy

boots,

either that or those. You know,
the leggings that yes, hug every

every end of Yeah,

the Lulu lemons, yes, yes, but
the Ba, ba, boom on the side,

yes, that are like 200 bucks a
pair. Yeah,

yeah. But anyway, we're going up
to the the big, the big, number

one racer.

What was his name? Alex below.
He is a Spaniard, but he, Well,

no wonder he was getting so many
Yes, he's the IndyCar champion

for like, the fourth year in a
row or something like that.

All you had around this guy were
these girls I was talking about.

They all these blondes with the
short shorts and the belly

shirts and the cowboy boots, one
hot looking Latino girl posing

with him getting a selfie, and
who comes in right behind her to

get a selfie? Jay Harper,
absolutely amongst all the

babes. Yeah, here's Jay Harper,

I have never been a geek germ to
you know. You know, being around

artists and stuff over the
years, you know, and nobody

said, I've never been star
struck, except with Glen

Campbell and Roger Miller. They
those are two exceptions for me.

But anyway, Heck, yeah, I I saw
the guy was standing there. He

was being very cordial and nice
and allowing photos and stuff.

So, yeah, man, I'm muscle in
there got me a selfie with Alex

pillow, you know, when I posted
that to the IndyCar Facebook

page, yes, you know, a cool
experience at the, you know,

posted some other photos along
with the one with Alex pillow,

and he got like, two or 300
likes on the, on the, you know,

and all these great comments and
stuff. So I, yeah, I didn't. I

didn't get lambasted by people
saying, Did you? Were you the

guy that pushed me out of the
way to get a picture with Alex

below? Yes, he's the one that
pushed all the boobs out of the

way

to pose? Yeah?

Like, oh gosh, pardon

me. Of women,

Hey, I've never seen my face
slapped, so I guess I didn't

offend too many people,

like the jaws of the racetrack.

But I must admit, you know, I'd
never been to a car race, an

IndyCar race, before. That was
your first time. Yes, and I just

wanted to go. And I must thank
you. Know a friend of mine,

Molly Abel. Whose Son or Son?
Good grief, her brother. Her

brother was one of the racers.
Yes, he was Jacob Abel was a

racer in the race. Anyway, she
invited me for their hospitality

and stuff, and that was cool
being able to get out of the

heat and go hang in their tent
and have some free beverages.

Oh, free food. So I do have to
thank her, but yeah, that was

one of the coolest experiences
I've had. And I've always wanted

to go to the Indy 500 and me
too, of course, you know the

tickets are like, you know,
getting McCartney tickets in

terms of price. Well, that's the
truth, you know. But one day,

darn it, I'm going to get up to
the Indy 500 but yeah, that what

a cool

experience that was. And she
was, by the way, what a sweet

lady.

Yeah, yeah. I used to, she used
to be my assistant at a at a

job, and, yeah, she is. It's
just perplexing why she's still

single, isn't it?

Johnny B Well, when you told me
that I thought this, there's

something wrong with this
equation. No kidding. Yeah,

she's a catch. Well, she's very
smart. She's very lovely, very,

very nice person.

Yeah, yeah. But yeah, that was
and I was glad to that you were

able to join me there. Johnny B,
yeah, it was fun.

And what was really good about
it? The weather was great. It

wasn't, you know, 95 degrees
with a 97% humidity, which it

usually is in August.

And, yeah, this was the 30th and
the 31st Yes, it was nice. So,

but yeah, I'm glad you were able
to join me. We had a

large time. It was fun. Yeah,
good time. I gotta hang I'm

really gonna thank you guys for
for the good time. Yeah, and

even though I don't get to touch
the guitar, I can't even look

at, you know, she's like, she's
like, the Christopher Guest, you

know, spinal spinal tap where he
says, Don't even look at it.

Don't even touch it. You know,
spinal tap two is out now. Yes,

it is. I want to see it. I have,
yeah, I have yet to see it. I've

seen, I've not

seen any reviews for Have you
Jim, I have not, yeah, don't

know if it's being panned or
what have you, but you know, a

lot of films that do get panned,
I end up like, do you really pay

attention to reviews all that
much.

I don't anymore if it's
something I really want to see,

you know, I mean, it's a lot of
stuff I see. Is Marvel stuff

so well, I saw so many
contradicting reviews on that

last Superman movie. Yeah, I did
too. Others saying it was woke

and all this stuff, right? And
others saying it was they hated

the dog, or, I don't know, but
I've not seen that, that film.

Now, see, I'm real bad about the
because I love dinosaurs. Always

have, ever since I was a child.
Yeah, me too. And I want to see

the New Jurassic World. I'm one
of those geeks you know, that

wants to see it.

That's your thing. Man, running
for it is, I am, and I was like

me with the Marvel stuff. I had
no idea I'd be that into it at

this age.

Oh, it's me. Yeah, I'm that way
too with Batman. I love Batman.

Always have.

Who was your favorite actor
portraying Batman thus far?

That's a good question. I think
I did like Christian Bale, but I

actually liked Michael Keaton
the best.

I think Ben Affleck did a good
job.

Yeah,

he did. I think, you know, I saw
all of the bad reviews of him,

but I think he got they had,
they had a good thing going.

Yeah, I think that was unfair. I
do too of Affleck criticism, but

I like Val Kilmer.

I know my wife really liked Val
Kilmer.

She constantly remembers

I thought he was adorable. Yeah,

you know, Johnny, if you put on
those leather pants that Val

Kilmer war in Batman. I don't
think it'd be the same effect.

Well, see, that's, that's what
my wife always reminds me of

when that film comes up. Was Val
Kilmer in the, oh, yeah, the

leather butt in the leather

pants, yeah? Because they made a
big close up

of that, yeah, exactly, yeah,
yeah. I'm surprised she hasn't,

like, had that, you know, lifted
from the film and make a big,

you know, poster out casting,
yeah, put it on the wall or

something. Yeah. She is so
enamored, enamored with

that. Well, I think the
cameraman on the first Jurassic

Park was, uh, enamored with
Laura derns rearing. Because if

you ever watch that movie, it
was like, Okay, there's another

shot of Laura walking in this
with her shorts. You know, it

was like, the cameraman is
really into Laura.

Wasn't, wasn't horrible. That
was a Spielberg decision,

because I think he did the same
thing with Kate Capshaw in the

second in Raiders movie, yeah,
who? He ended up marrying him.

We married, that's right, yeah.
And, of course, Amy Irving,

because he was,

Oh, she was very attractive,
yeah. She was in no Miller

Nelson movie that married to her
honeysuckle rose. That's right.

And I, you know, even though
Willie wasn't a great actor, I

did like that movie

as you get Did you guys see the
RE release of jaws? We went and

saw it

in the theater. No, no,

I did not. I had to. I had to.
You just had it was, well, the

most perfect movie ever made.
Yeah, that was a great movie.

Yeah, it certainly, you know,
and I've seen it, perhaps you

fellas have as well the, you
know, since it's the 50th

anniversary year of that film,
there have been some of these

documentaries out there on the
making of it, making of jaws,

and Spielberg, his interviews
and the documentaries, you know,

he said, I thought my career was
over that this was that film was

such a disaster in terms of it
being over budget and taking so

long, and the shark, damn shark,
wouldn't work, and a variety of

other other issues. And he said
he literally, not figuratively,

but literally almost had a
nervous breakdown over it all

during the making of that film.
Wow. And he swore he would never

work again, that his name was
going to be mud in Hollywood

with the producers and whatnot,
film studio heads and so forth.

Boy, did he get that wrong?

Boy, he sure did. He owns it
now. What was really bizarre. I

was in Georgia one time. Tell
this story. I was at a gas

station. I think that's around
Noonan, Georgia, where I think

Alan Jackson came from. But I
was at this gas station. This

woman comes up, she goes, Can I
ask you a question? I said, Yes,

ma'am. Are you? Steven
Spielberg, why? Yes, yes, I am.

I did that. Yes. I am

going to shoot a movie down
here.

I can remember seeing when I saw
JAWS for the first time, it was

at a theater in New Orleans down
on Canal Street, the joy

theater, you know, one of those
grand old theaters from way back

when. Don't know if the joy is
still operable or what, but

anyway, this is 1975 I remember
going to see the film there, and

as we were walking out of the
film, there was a teenage girl,

I'm assuming, with her
boyfriend. They are walking out,

and she had a huge urine stain
on the back of her. Wow, pants.

This girl had wet herself seeing
that film. That the only part of

jaws that kind of spooked me a
little bit is when Richard

Dreyfus is swimming, you know,
in the scuba gear, and they're

investigating a boat that was
just Ben Gardner's boat

abandoned, right? And, you know,
when he came up to the hole in

the boat and that head popped
out of there? Yes, that did make

me jump. That made me

jump. And also the scene with
Roy Scheider when he's chumming

the

blood and the, you know, the
right before the line, of all

lines, yeah,

the head comes out of the water
that that kind of well.

And the reaction from Scheider
yes was so perfect. I don't know

how many times they filmed that
scene, oh, he snaps up, yeah,

when he snaps up, and yeah, one
of the greatest lines ever,

which I've heard conflicting
stories. I mean, I know Jim, you

guys are both kind of film
buffs, you know, I've heard

stories that we're going to need
a bigger boat. Was an ad lib was

improvised, yeah, on the part of
Scheider. So if that's the case,

man, perfect. Yeah, he should
have trademarked that phrase.

And kind of like Pat Riley, kind
of like Pat Riley's done with

the term three peat. Yes, you
know he's got the trademark on

that. Yeah, Roy Scheider should
have trademarked. You're going

to need a bigger boat.

It's funny, you mentioned the
challenges they had a movie were

what made the movie so great,
because of the shark breaking

down, like all the scenes that
Spielberg wanted to show the

monster, but couldn't, so he had
to rely on he was a huge, I

believe he was a huge fan of
Hitchcock, and Hitchcock was

always a big proponent of not
revealing the monster until the

right time. So you could only
see the effects of the monster.

You couldn't see the monster
like the beginning of the movie,

where she's getting pulled
around. It's terrifying, because

it is, you know, you're in the
water, the camera angles of

being at water level and like,
how you could hear the water,

yeah, go into your ears and
above, like that kind of effect.

That was, that's the genius of
that movie, yes, as the fact

that you could, they could. It
didn't work, but it made the

movie so

good. Oh, yeah. And we can't, we
can't talk about the greatness

of that film without talking
about John Williams music. Oh,

was that not? And of course, I
think he is the greatest film

score. I mean, there's some
other good ones out there, Tony

Conti and some others,

but Danny Elfman soldier, yeah,

but that, that music did that,
not did that, not set the tone.

Oh, that film, it did. I mean,
it's hard to imagine Jaws

without

it, and you can't and the the
actors they got, I mean,

Richard. Ciphers. Robert Shaw
was the one that really stole

it. Oh yeah, my god. I love that
scene where he come when they're

talking about getting the shark,
and he takes his fingers,

not only that, he drew a picture
of the shark on the chalkboard

with the little boy in the
shark's mouth. Yes, it's like,

do that some call

that is cold.

I'll get you shark the head, the

whole damn thing. Yeah. Well,
you know, surviving my life a

lot more than that.

Chief Robert Shaw was, was a
renowned alcoholic, and he was

drunk for many, you know, many
days of filming, and they had to

delay things to get him sober.
You know the speech about the

Indianapolis when they're all
sitting there, and, yeah, kind

of bonding, if you will, in the
in the scene as great scene.

Supposedly, they tried filming
that, and he was sloshed, and

they just said cut. And they
just stopped, and Robert Shaw

apparently apologized to
Spielberg and said, Man, you

know, let's try that again. And,
and supposedly, from things I've

read, that that whole scene was
Shaw reciting that story was,

was kind of ad libbed. That's
where I heard as well, you know,

that he didn't follow the
script, that he just kind of

went free form with it. And one
of the more impactful scenes of

the film, oh, it was especially
when you realize that Richard

Dreyfus, who didn't care for
the, you know, his character,

didn't care for the guy, you
know, for Quinn, yeah, but

you've seen, you see sympathy
and and, and some in respect,

yeah, come into his eyes when he
realized that, like, you know,

he's seen some things, yeah, the
drive. His character says you

were on the Indianapolis, yes,
you know. And shiners, character

is like, what's that? And then
Shaw goes into the into the

story. But you're right, Jim. I
mean, a perfect film in so many

ways. Oh, yeah. Great
performances, great script, you

know, the Peter Benchley novel
that was a huge hit that became

a film. So there was a lot of
hype about the film, because the

book was so popular, right?

And so and it's so different
from the book. Yeah, the book

is, it's like, night and day,

yeah. I don't recall whether I
read that or not back back then,

but Cooper

was a much different character,
really. Yeah, he gets killed in

the story, he has an affair with
Brody's wife, and he's, like,

really tall and svelte and,
like, demure. So he's not

Richard drive. Oh no. They made
Hooper's character very likable

in the movie. In the book, he is
not likable at all.

Yeah, that's always the case,
though. Books are never quite

like the movie. No, it was like
the firm,

yes, yeah. Spielberg just said,
Thanks for the idea. Take it

from here. Yeah. And Benchley
actually makes it a cameo,

right, as a news reporter.

GREAT film. And 50 years old,
you know, I think back when I

was a kid, you know, in the 70s,
you know, 50 year old movies

would have been silent films.

They would have now it's the
Exorcist,

you know it so, you know, it's
great that you can still go back

and enjoy these 50 and 60 year
old movies and some that are

older than that. Now, you know,
I enjoy a lot of the the film

noir movies, you know, the black
and white stuff with Robert

Mitchum and all that, Alan Ladd,
you know, the black and white

stuff from back in the 40s and
50s is really when that film

noir stuff really took over,
yeah, but I go on Netflix and

Amazon Prime and whatnot and
look up those kind of there are

some great stories, great
movies. Oh, there's a ton of

back in, you know, the black and
white stuff, when those the

lighting design people were just
geniuses at lighting the black

and white, oh yeah, films, well,
I find that stuff fascinating.

I do too. One thing I really
miss about that era of Hollywood

was that the stars were, I
think, more glamorous than they

are today, especially the
actresses. I mean, when you

think of Carole Lombard, you
think of Jane Russell,

Rita Hayworth was just Oh

yes. Sophia Loren,

you know, Lauren Bacall, to me,
was something sexy about her? Oh

my gosh, yeah.

They just seem to have more of a
glamor about them that is kind

of missing today.

Well, that, you know, let's face
it, that was back in a time when

there was no debate about what a
woman was,

feel like being a woman. You
are,

yes, man, I feel like a woman.
Yeah.

The some of those, those glamor
babes back then were. And of

course, you know, I'm probably
being thought of right now as a

sexist for using the term babe,
but they were, I'm sorry. Well,

we'll get the comments Well,
and, you know, and, and, darn

it, you know, men were men.
That's right, real men, that's

right. John Wayne Bogart, you
know Gary grant, and you know

Judy, Judy, Judy Gary grant,
but, but, no, you know, I don't

know. I just really did enjoy
the the films back then, and I

make a point to go watch that
stuff. And a lot of them are

like, you know, they're 80
minutes long, yeah? No, they're

not long at all, but they
develop the character. There's a

story there. Bam, you know? And
you get, you cut to the chase,

and it's a pretty satisfying
experience. How many films have

we watched over the years that
were, like, three hours long?

Oh, and you say to yourself,
Okay, it's an okay film. But,

you know, they could have cut an
hour out of this exactly and and

not prolonged. What the message
they were trying to

tell? Oh, yeah. In fact, there's
a what was the movie that

recently came out? I can't
Oppenheimer. Oh, yeah, I loved

Oppenheimer. But, my God, it was
long.

Was long one, yeah, it was, it
moved, though

it did move, yeah, I have to
give it credit, because I and it

I never, I never. I mean, it did
see, once I got done with it,

was like, wow, there went my
day. But, but it was good. I

mean, it was a very good movie.

My father took us to see the
last emperor when we were kids,

when you're little

kids like that, things like, I
know, or like, Lawrence of

Arabia, Peter O'Toole,

yes. But I remember, like, I had
that kind of moment with my son.

I said we were going to go to
the movies, and he and I were,

he and I were going to go, what
do you want to see? Oppenheimer?

Seriously, wow. He's like, Yeah,
I want to go see him. All right.

I said, this is, like, my last
emperor for you. But okay, let's

go. And he enjoyed it. Yeah? It
was a good movie. It's, it had a

good flow, yeah?

Yeah. And it is interesting. I
mean, there are some films that

are in an hour and a half and
they seem like they're two days

long, Oh, yeah. And then others
that are three hours or what

have you. And you thoroughly
enjoyed it. It just goes right

on by, yeah, you know, if
there's a story to tell that

warrants three hours, I'm all
for it, you know, but sometimes

the story just doesn't warrant
that. So why? I don't know why.

Like a Yoko Ono film,

there is one. Oh,

there's several, really, oh,
yeah. I watched an old only

fans, yeah. Well, I watched it.
I watched a Dick Cavett with

John and Yoko on it. They showed
a they showed one of her movies.

All it was was a fly crawling on
a woman's body. I don't know

what the significance was, but
it was really, yeah, it was, and

what killed me was the audience
when it came because I'm sitting

there watching it, going, Is
this ever gonna Yeah, the hell

are we watching? I mean, for one
thing, Dick, you're, you're,

you're using too long of a clip.
I mean, it could have been

quicker, yeah, man, when they
come back, everybody's, yeah,

you know. And rather, were they
doing

this? Yeah, you must admit that
Dick caveman had some of the

most greatest guests. Oh, he
did. And really got people to

open up and talk about things
that he's almost like the

modern day Graham Norton, you
know, he wouldn't or Graham

Norton's a modern day dick.
Kevin, rather,

you know, was it like, you know,
Carson, you know, whom I loved.

I thought Carson, he was great.
But, you know, people came on

that show and they talked about
their movie that it right, but

with Dick Cavett, you know,
Robert Mitchum had like, a full

hour or something with Dick
Cavett and was, it was the most

revealing interview. First of
all, he didn't want to be there.

He was there. George Harrison,
yeah, he didn't want to be

there, but he was so matter of
fact and open and honest in his

you know, I think it's the only
interview where Mitchum ever

really opened up, because he was
one of those anti Hollywood guys

didn't like being a movie star,
right? You know, in Cabot would

ask him. So, you know, you get
into your story and become the

character. And Mitchum says, you
know, I just show up and I hit

my mark and I make believe.
What's so tough about that, you

know, rather than, you know,
some of these actors who make it

sound like they're solving the
world's problems, their their

craft is one that totally can be
achieved by being so serious.

Mitchum is like, yeah, I show
up. I hit my mark, I recite the

line, memorize the lines, I show
up, I go home. They pay me. And

that's all that really is
required well.

And what was really interesting
is, I watched a Dick Cavett with

George Harrison, and he didn't
want to be there either. He just

said, I have nothing to talk
about. I really don't know why

I'm here. But what was
interesting they showed this

girl from the audience that was
talking to Cabot before he gets

George Harrison. An out. It was
May Pang the gal that ended up

with John Lennon during his lost
weekend when he left Yoko for or

Yoko kicked him out of the
house, basically, and sent him

on his way to LA. But I thought,
wow, that's interesting. May

pay. He had

a type. Yeah, he did,

you know, I guess Dick Cavett
still around. And yes, he is.

Hey, we get him on the podcast.

Well, he might be on the next
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