Circling The Drain

Unknown: Yeah, whatever happened
to Lioness? My wife and I loved

Lioness. It was a great series,
and they had two seasons. All of

a sudden, we've been waiting on
season three for years now.

Yeah,

isn't that the kid in Charlie
Brown with the blanket? Lioness,

is that what you're talking this
lioness? of a mess, I guess I'm

just not as hip as you, Johnny
D. Welcome to a podcast about

music and entertainment. Before
it all goes down the disposal,

this is Circling the drain.

Hey, welcome back to Circling
the Drain. Johnny B, Johnny

Bozeman, right here. My favorite
person on this planet, one of my

favorite people, Jay Harper,
right over there. How's your

game

time? Are we doing another one
of these?

Yes, we are.

Oh, okay. Well, Heidi, all
right. Thanks for waking me up.

Hey, Johnny B. Always good to
have you, man. It's

always good to have you.

All right, and we all in you and
I, we always love our the third

J of the trifecta.

That's right.

I was trying to figure out how I
could hide under the desk, like

I won't be able to hit the
camera button. Yeah, you need a

bigger desk.

Come on, we know we can kid each
other here,

and we haven't been around each
other in a while. Here it is,

July,

that's true, man. Gosh, you know
that we're over halfway through

the year, is that not insane?

I know I just had a birthday,
man, and I hate those things.

Now you care

to share how old you are, Johnny
B. Are you

really

okay? Well, I didn't ask you how
old you are, I asked you if you

wanted to share. I

guess I could. I mean, that's,
you know, that's a personal,

but I could, I could, it's a

personal, no, I'm,

I'm 68 now. Okay, well, man,

congratulations, Johnny B. I
think

I look pretty damn good. A

lot of folks would be happy to
make it to 60. Oh, yeah,

trust me, I am.

Yeah, you're no

longer six seven, so I'm

old about, I'm about two and a
half years behind you.

Are you?

Yep, not too, not too much
behind you there. So I'm not

gonna mention anything, the

youngster, the yeah,

I'll be 51 in August. Wow, I
know

what day in august, 20. Okay, we
got to remember that

anybody who wants to get me a
gift. All right,

so who do you, who do you share
a birthday with? Celebrity wise,

do you know? Usually everybody
knows. I

used to know

kind of who they should

look it up.

A celebrity birthday with

I know mine.

Yeah,

the country, yeah, USA, baby,
USA. Yeah,

America.

Yeah, so was Tom Cruise, man.
Tom

Cruise was one. He

played a great version of you in
Born on the Fourth of July. He

did, didn't he? No, he did a

great job. But also, I have what
was it, Dear Abby, I think

Abigail Van Buren and her twin
sister, yeah, the

other one, yeah,

and Landon, Anland, yeah, and
Landon's, they were both, both

born on my birthday, yeah.

I share it, I share a birthday
with Spider-Man, Andrew

Garfield, wow, yeah, and Demi
Lovato, Amy Adams, she's the

same age I am, ah, well, and it
goes down from there.

Okay, well, I'm a november 17
baby, and let's see, there's

Martin Scorsese, Danny DeVito,
and it was kind of cool. I

didn't discover this till a
little later in life, but my

baseball idol as a kid was Tom
Seaver, Hall of Fame pitcher,

prime mostly for the Mets, but
he was also with the Reds and

the White Sox. But anyway, he's
born on my birthday, so

you get a baseball.

Yeah, I

actually was hired by mr. J to
announce a game, which is like,

you know, I might as well be
announcing, you know, the World

Championship of spelunking, it's
about as much as I know about

baseball. Yeah, well,

you actually did two games, I
did, and did a terrific job.

That's the one you were, you
were, you asked me about, right?

Yeah, I mean, I did, and I asked
you, like, last year too,

because we were in Chattanooga
for the tournament last, yeah,

that I did. It's the T Double C
Double A Region Seven baseball

softball tournament that we did.

That's Columbia

State.

It's a mouthful to say,

yeah, it

is.

But no, man, I appreciate it,
Jim. Man, I got in a bind. I

had, you know, somebody drop out
on me, actually. That's not

correct, that not to get into
all this, but it was a baseball

and a softball tournament, and
they were separate. Softball

went first, then baseball, but
because of weather they had to

rearrange schedules, so we were
forced to play softball and

baseball games on the same day.

Oh man,

so I was short, a I was also
responsible, aside from doing

the live stream on the Game Time
Sports Network, we also were

responsible for hiring the
public address announcers.

Oh, wow,

so I was short one, you know, I
had somebody for all of the

games because the day, you know,
the softball and baseball

overlapped, I'd like, you shoot,
I need somebody else.

Yeah,

so, man, I reach out to my man
Jim here, and gosh, doggy, save

the day.

Jim's good last minute. Jim's
good, man. He's very tired, and

you figure

out how many different ways you
could say coming to bat.

That's right now batting. Now

batting.

Yes, you're batter now at the
plate.

I think I would suck at that.

No, you wouldn't, Johnny,
really, no, man, I tell you, I

always say, if you can, if
you're experienced on a

microphone, you can, you can do
that stuff, you know, I mean,

yeah, you know, you kind of get
in a little bit of a group. The

thing about PA is, for baseball,
especially, is keeping up with

who's coming to bat,

right?

You know, who's next up,

right?

Then they throw a pitch hitter
in there on you,

yeah,

you know, and you end up
announcing the wrong name, which

happens, you know.

Well, I would definitely do
that. I totally did that, yeah,

yep, yep. But no, man, Jim, I do
appreciate that. He's

got a, he's got a hit, oh, and
he's out, he's got a hat trick.

Oh, what a touchdown. Nice. Look
at that.

Well, heck, you know, you hear a
play by play guy, you know,

professional play by play guys,
you know, screw that stuff up.

Where it's like it's going, it's
going, it's a double. At one

point, I was

like, go

that's

not this game,

but no. Again, Jim. Thank you,
man. Did it, did a great job on

that. But, yeah, Johnny, you
could

tell it. I

wouldn't ask you to do that.

I could attest, it's not that
hard. Yeah, okay. Maybe next

time.

Yeah, you just got to keep up,
but you know, base softball goes

a lot quicker. You know,
baseball can get a little, yeah.

That's why I've never been a big
baseball. I mean, I don't mind

going to the games, but yeah,
yeah, they can get really, yeah,

sometimes.

Yeah, sometimes it's sleepy.

Yeah, yeah, but usually those
tournament games are usually

pretty good games, yeah. And you
know, we did have one baseball

game that the final score was 22
to four, that was, yeah, it was

an

early call,

yeah, that was mercy

rule kind of an acting.

No, in baseball there, well, in
baseball there is,

and there, and it was mercy
rule, but they scored the 22

runs before they got to the
inning where the mercy rule

applies, but softball, you've
got, you know, eight run mercy

rule, and the softball games are
only seven innings, so, and they

tend to be, quite frankly, those
are usually one, two, a lot of

123, innings in softball. Yeah,
you know, because the pitchers,

you know, throw 1000 miles an
hour. Oh, yeah, those women,

man, flipping it underhand, they
can get it up there, man. I bet

you know, and it's such a short
distance between, you know, the

pitcher circle and home plate,
and the ball's on you in a

heartbeat. So,

speaking of women to the table,
rush barking on their tour. Oh,

that's

right. We've seen

those videos. I have not yet.
Yeah, I mean we're recording

this on june 8, just for, you
know, behind the scenes people.

Oh, so it's not July. Sure, it's
true. Yeah, sure, absolutely,

absolutely. There's a J and a U
in there. Yeah,

but a lot of the videos came out
today with their debut concert

in LA from, whatever, I can't
remember the name of the place,

but everybody was like holding
their breath during Tom Sawyer

to see if she could pull off the
big roundhouse fill, and the

thunder is filled. Yeah, and you
know, she pulls it off with

extreme grace. It's very smooth,
and you hear the audience almost

like release a gasp of, like, a
sigh of relief, and they all

just like, yeah, it was so, so
cool. So, if you haven't seen

that video, so

Dan Mandas should take back his
throwing of the

I had a house mind to throw the
should we do

that in

Mantis when he threw the coaster
at me, yeah, yeah, I mean I was

gonna, you know, text it to him
and be like, hey, yeah, just she

did a great job, man, yeah, I
think he was upset because I.

Think she, I said she might show
up Neil,

yeah,

but she's really put her own
taste on it, her own style.

Well, yeah, and that's just
natural. She's not going to be a

clone, no, she's gonna have her
own style. It's very, you know,

that we're talking about music
when I'm back when this band,

you know, was a big pop band at
the, I guess, around what, 99

2000 was when they were really
huge, but I've really gotten

back into Blink 182

really.

Yeah, I really did like those
guys, because a lot of the

things that the kids were
listening to, then I just

couldn't, the pop stuff, it just
left me, you know,

they were pop punk.

Well, yeah, they were, and the
thing that I liked about those

guys was their video of all the
small things they were making

fun of the boy band craze, which
they were actually kind of part

of in a way.

They were,

and but they were so good. The
drummer was phenomenal. He's

like formally trained.

Oh yeah,

he was a marching band guy.

Yeah, he was. You talk about a
great drummer. They were lucky

to find him, but I really did
like the band, so I watched a

video biography of these guys,
and man, the stuff they went

through. I wasn't aware the
drummer had been in a very bad

plane crash,

really

nearly burned up most of his
body, but it was him and a guy

named DJ DM, something like
that.

Oh gosh, yeah, he was a big DJ
in Vegas.

Yes, he died actually shortly
after the plane crash, and he

was..

he actually had a movie
appearance in Iron Man two.

Yes,

yeah, so yeah.. am

I think that's it? That's what

it was. Yeah,

I'm so on hip.. I'm sorry, but
yeah.. and I didn't know the

band went through all they did,
but I guess they're back out on

the road now, and I'm glad to
see that, because I always did

like that tune, because it had
such great drums in it, and when

the kids were playing it, I
thought, now these guys are

good, I like these guys. Yeah,
and I guess they're kind of a

guilty pleasure. Do you guys
have any kind of pop bands like

that that you found like a
guilty pleasure that you

know that I didn't admit to
anybody. Yeah, Backstreet Boys,

did you like the Backstreet
Boys?

They were a good, solid group.
They got a great band behind

them. Their songs were solid.
The beats, after a while, like

the same, like drumbeat was kind
of patterned over and over

again. Yeah, but yeah, I mean
good melodies, I mean, harmony

and everything. I mean, they all
say that's yeah, I was a little

bit of a closeted boy band fan
afar. So,

see, I was more like I like the
girl groups. A lot of people

didn't, but I did. I really did
like the Bengals. I thought

these, these girls really, I
mean, they've got kind of an

attitude about them, and their
songs are very well constructed,

and I, you know, Susannah Hoffs
was a good singer, but I

actually liked, I think, the
bass player and the drummer, I

liked their vocals better than I
did hers, actually, because they

do the song going, I'm going
down to Liverpool,

right?

Yeah, great song, great drums in

it. I almost said that was Gina
Shock, but no, she was from the

Go-Go's.

Yeah, Gina Shock was the truth,
hottie. Yeah, I think Debbie,

Debbie Peterson was the drummer
for the Bengals. Yeah, really

pretty blonde. Yeah,

we need more women drummers,

yeah. We do, we do, we need more
women guitar players like that.

Can actually play some women
guitar players. I don't know

what it is, but they just don't
have the bite that some, you

know, guy. And I hate to say
that, because I'm gonna get hate

mail, but when you compare a guy
to a woman playing, there is one

woman, she plays for a deep
purple tribute band called

Perfect Strangers, and they're,
I want to say, they're from

Sweden, but this girl is
phenomenal. I mean, she's just a

god, she's got the feel. Old
band is actually really good.

Well, you know, Anne Wilson,

yeah,

you know, I think she's kind of
underrated. I think she guitar,

because, you know, I've seen
them,

Nancy.

Well, yes, Nancy, yeah, Anne's
the lead. That's what I was

thinking. I'm like, is that
Anne? Yeah,

no, no, yeah. Thank you. No,
Nancy's whom I meant, yeah. But

you know, I've seen Hart a cup,
well, three or four times, and

that lady can rip it up, yes,
you can, and Anne was

a great vocal, in terms of,

I still say she's her, and gosh,
the young woman from

Evanescence,

oh, Amy,

yeah, her, and then the
hailstorm, the young, yes.

Anyway, those three, but Anne
Wilson still, to this day, I

say, the greatest female rock
vocalist of all time. Oh yeah,

there's no comparison. Well,

I tell you one lady that I think
outstood them all, and I'm

talking rock, when she would do
rock, because she did several,

you know, she did country, she
did all kinds of stuff. Linda

Ronstadt, yeah, man, when she
was rock, man, you're

right, what

a voice she was. I mean, they're
belters, yes, that's

yeah, but but then, and Wilson
was the same way as Ronstadt,

though they could pull it back,
and I mean Blue by You by

Ronstadt, not the sexiest
record. Oh, it was.

Well, I watched her. I mean, I
saw her in concert in Nashville,

and she did, and can't help it
if I'm still..

yeah.

Oh man.

Well, I told you, I sat next to
her on a sofa in a recording

studio for hours and didn't know
who it was.

Yeah, I told you that. No, I

don't think you did either.

I was at a Lyle Lovett. I was
hanging out at a Lyle Lovett

session.

Yeah,

and believe this was sound
stage, I'm pretty sure. And, but

Lyle and Harry Stinson, and some
others, they were doing, they

were laying down their backing
vocal tracks that night, and you

know, the studios got the
couches and stuff in there

behind the mixing board, you
know, and they got the lights

down low, you can't really see
in there very well, and there

was a lady sitting on the other
end of the couch, hanging in

there,

yeah,

and I think she had a ball cap
on, but we, we were just kind of

sitting there, and we just, you
know, just kind of idle chit

chat, and anyway, after they
took a break, and Lyle came into

the studio, and it was all, oh,
you know, love, and Luna, oh,

how are you, and all that, sure,
and then you know, when the

lights came up, and I got a good
look at her, and, and he starts

addressing her, you know. Oh
gosh, Linda, so great to have

you here. And then it dawned on
me who it was

Linda Ronstadt.

Oh my god, you know, yeah. I
mean, was there any 15 year old

boy in the 70s who did not have
a crush on that woman?

I had a crush, oh, big

time. Here, I thought I thought
she was the sexiest thing alive.

Oh, I did too. And I, when I,
because I saw her on the Mad

Love tour,

yeah. Oh, wow.

And I saw her in Nashville, and
then I, because I was doing

music during those days, and we
did a gig in Birmingham, and I

saw that it was really wild,
because I saw that she was going

to be in Birmingham, like a few
days later, and so was Ernest

Tubb, and so I decided I wanted
to see both,

one end of the spectrum or the
other, man, but man,

at both shows, I mean, both
shows, she seemed a little high

at the Birmingham show, yeah,
she was a little weird, I

thought she seems kind of high.
She smoked some weed or

something, I don't know. Things
are possible. Yeah, all things

are blunt, but she was good.

Yeah, I've always, always loved
her, and it's a shame, you know,

she's dealt with Parkinson's,
and yeah, taking her voice away.

Yeah, if you ever get

a chance to see, I think you can
find it on Roku. That's gosh,

within the sound of my voice at
something like that. Yeah, yeah,

very good. Yes,

I know of what you're speaking,
documentary,

yeah,

about, about, you know, her life
and what she's going through

now, but yeah, I, I I, I, I
always loved, and to me she was

one of those that could sing
anything, you know, like a

Campbell in a Millsap, you know,
I mean, that all that Nelson

Riddle stuff, the big band
stuff, she,

that was great,

that you know, her version of My
Funny Valentine is just like,

you know, ethereal, man, yeah,
you know,

once you could do Broadway,
she'd get Pirates of

Pennsylvania, yeah, with Gary
Morris,

yeah, yeah. Well, I think he was
part of that. Now he was,

now she mentioned it,

I think one was Rex Smith, and
then thought

of that dude, I haven't

either, I was trying not to, but
anyway,

well, in a few days she will be
80 years old.

Yeah, Linda Ronstadt, man,

isn't that nuts? Well, you know,
Cher just turned 80.

Wow,

yeah, I know.

Yeah,

but still, you know, I like
Cher.

I mean, she seemed like she's a
nice person. Yeah, I'm just kind

of flaky, yeah.

She's a, you know, left-wing
pinko coming nut, but sorry

about Jay

Fonda. Aside from that, you
know,

and I don't know, I've never
been a Cher fan in terms of her

music. Me, well, her vocal style
just has never done anything. I

mean,

I, I think you're not the audio.
It's that she's not hanging out

at, you know, whatever bars,
calm down. She

did bring Auto-Tune into focus,
and singing underwater, or what

was happening there?

So,

no, see, I enjoyed her on the
old Sonny and Cher show. I mean,

you know, that was a fun show.
Yeah, it was way back, way back

when.

Yes, it was.

You know, and you know it was a
tragedy. What happened to Sonny?

I mean,

oh yeah, you know, way to go,
man. Skiing,

skiing into a tree,

yeah, that's how you go out,

yeah, but no, I, you know, I, I
guess, and share what she won an

Academy Award for, crying out
loud, Moonstruck, yeah, and she

was

a good actress,

yeah, so you know, I don't, I
don't poo poo her talent across

the spectrum, but anyway, I
just..

well, I've never.. I've never..
I mean, when I watch a movie or

I listen to a song, I don't sit
and think, 'Oh, I can't like

this because they voted.

Yeah, I know. I'm with you,
Johnny. I tried not to do that,

but boy, it's getting harder and
harder with some of them. Well,

it.. I. the only one I've had
that with a little bit has been,

gosh, I can't, Robert De Niro,
De

Niro, yeah, because I

loved, I loved De Niro,

yeah, I mean, some of the roles
he has done have just been, you

know, from Godfather Two to
Raging Bull, to, you know,

yeah, no,

denying his brilliance in, in
his talent, but, yeah, but you

know, I feel that, you know,
Sean Penn, a fabulous act,

oh, one of the greatest,

but getting harder and harder
to,

well, and Johnny Depp's another
one, I, he really turned me off

when he, I think he won an award
or something, and he started

talking about Trump, and he, I
mean, I'm surprised no one

arrested him, because he was
basically talking about

assassinating how

he wanted him to die. Well, he
said,

he said, you know, an actor took
out a president, maybe that

needs to happen again, or I
thought, God, that's an awful

thing to say.

They're seeing if they can get
away with it.

Well, yeah, and they don't care.
I mean, that's the whole thing,

but

they could become a martyr.

Yeah, exactly. And, of course,
we've had the big good July 4

concert that may have not
happened, may have done

well. I mean, at this time, all
the people are talking about

who's dropping out of it. Well,

everybody seems to, because last
that I've heard, and this

talking about the big 250th
celebration that Donald Trump

was putting together, it seems
like everybody's dropped out of

it, and he was naming off people
that were on it. I thought, boy,

that's not a very strong line.
Yeah,

it's not real stellar. No, yeah.
And

he's basically saying, you know,
and I don't need, you know, I

could do it myself. People would
still show up because everybody

loves me. I'm, I'm like Elvis,
except I'm bigger, you know. I'm

thinking, man, number one, don't
make it about yourself, make it

about the country. It, you know,
if you want to do your ego

thing, that's fine at times, but
not, not at something like this,

a celebration of our country's
birthday and origin. And I think

that's what's hurting on this.

Well, I know Martina McBride has
backed out. She claims, and this

is her perspective, that it was
presented to her as what you

have described - birthday
celebration for America, but it

became, in her eyes, anyway, a
partisan, essentially a Donald

Trump pep rally,

right?

And she just wasn't comfortable
doing that, and that's certainly

her right.

Sure,

I don't know, you know. Again, I
support much, not all, but much

of Donald Trump's stance on
things, but you know, I don't

know that I would want to be a
part of that either, even though

I do support a lot of what he,
you know, stands for and stuff

with respect to the country. If
it were a politic being deemed

as a political event, which
there been some other acts that

have dropped out of this thing,
I guess the guy.. oh gosh,

Brett,

oh, a poison guy, yeah, yeah,

yeah, he's backed out, you know,
he backed out of Roswell for

pretty much the same reasons,
you know, even if I were a huge

Trump Trump MAGA guy, I don't
know that I still would want to

be a part of that, right, you
know, can't we do anything that

is just non political when it
comes. Comes to patriotic, what

are supposed to just be merely
patriotic, proud events for a

celebration of our 250 years as
a nation.

Right,

can't we just do anything
without it being having a

political slant to it? I realize
there are those that think, you

know, there are those out there
that think patriotism is racist,

and you know they have just
skewed being proud to be an

American,

yes,

as something that it isn't.

No, exactly, is

trying to make it to least
something that it isn't to me,

right?

And I know a lot of other people
feel that way too, but can we

have any type of celebration?
You know, I remember 1976 quite

well. I was 15,

sure,

when the bicentennial thing, but
I don't recall again, maybe it

was.. I was a kid, but you were
a little older than me, so yeah,

probably 1718, at the time, but
do you remember anything being

political about. no,

no. and Jimmy Carter wasn't
well. Ford

was still president, was

Ford still. Well, then he's not
up there going on to make it all

about me. Yeah,

I mean, I can remember the bison
too. It was just this huge

celebration of America's, you
know, 200th birthday,

which is what ought to be. And
that's what this seems like,

this, this, and I don't know
whether we've just fallen, you

know, we've become the, you
know, the prey of the mainstream

media that has tried to skew
anything and everything about,

you know, this 250th celebration
as being political, when maybe

it isn't in certain, in certain
ways, man, I don't know, it,

it's disappointing to where you
can't just, you know, celebrate

it for the mere fact that we've
gotten to 250 years and shoot

off some fireworks and be proud
to be an American. Exactly,

leave it at that.

Row some hot dogs, drink a beer.
Yeah, be proud you're an

American

and be grateful to those, you
know, we just had Memorial Day,

not all that long ago, and be
grateful for those that made it

possible to celebrate 250 years,

and exactly, you know, and I'm,
you know, one thing that I'm

critical of Trump, and I was
also critical of Obama, of this,

they make it all about them, you
know, I remember, like Ronald

Reagan, he never made it about
him, it was all about us, is

what we can do. Same with John
F. Kennedy, man, that dude, it

was all about us. It wasn't,
look what I'm doing, look what

I've done. I

admit that has been, it hasn't
been a surprise with respect to

Donald Trump, to know that's who
he is. You kind of knew what you

were getting, you know, with
that whole ego thing. Yeah, I'll

admit, I don't understand why
you would want to have

everything, anything much of
what you're wanting to

accomplish for the country gets
is getting derailed by all of

this other stuff.

Yes,

you know, naming the Kennedy
Center, sticking your name on

the Kennedy Center, and some of
this other stuff.

Yeah,

it just derails what's
important,

exactly.

You know, I don't know. Is
that..

I think he's doing it a purpose.

That's what I was gonna say. Is
that the

strategy? Is

that his strategy? Yeah,

I think it is.

You know, well, in

fact, you said in an earlier
podcast of ours that you thought

that he's basically. he said,
okay, if you want to hate me, if

that's if I'll be the bad guy,
if that's what's going to put

you guys together to bring the
country together.

Nothing unites two opposing
sides and a common enemy,

that's the truth. If

that were, if he were to come
out and say, yeah, that was my

strategy, I would not be a bit
surprised.

Yeah, but we're talking about
the US Congress. Yes, I mean,

can these Yahoos get anything
done?

No. And in fact, do we want them
to get anything done? Well,

there are certain things that,

that I had hoped that, you know,
they would get done, but it's

just in this quagmire that I
don't know, man. Sometimes I

think they just need to, you
know, scrap them up, just scrap

them all, start over, man. Well,

I've gotten to a point where I
don't, I really don't care for

the Republicans anymore. I don't
care for the Democrats. Yeah,

they're not working for us. It's
obvious. Look at the economy,

it's in the toilet. Everything
is too expensive. Working people

are having, I mean, they're
struggling. They're having to

work two, three jobs just to
make ends meet. They can't

afford, you know, young people
can't afford homes anymore,

or to have children,

or to have children. I mean,
we're basically screwed. They're

screwing the country. Three, and
I'm tired of, yeah,

but those who got to

take it back five years, though.
I mean, the reason why we have

everything so expensive is
because of all the money

printing that happened during
Covid.

Exactly, that's what started

it, right? Yeah,

that's what started it. But I
was hoping that Trump, because I

really wasn't for the, you know,
for the tariffs, because I

thought, man, this is a bad time
to be doing tariffs, because

we're already, we're already
having a tough time with the

economy. It's just going to make
it that much longer and that

much tougher, and the same thing
with, you know, with the Iran

situation, it's made gasoline go
through the so everything he's

done, I'm afraid it's going. If
the Democrats have a chance,

they're going to win this time,
because people do vote with

their billfolds with their
pocketbooks.

But I mean, the thing is that
Democrats have not socially.. I

mean, there's a fatigue that's
palpable, you know, even with

Springsteen and now the Black
Crows that decided to, you know,

call up Trump out from stage,
that this, they let them know

real quick, like, "Shut up,
dude. Oh yeah, oh, they are, and

that, please,

shut up. Well,

and two, when you go to concert,
do you really want to talk

politics? No, you're trying to
get away from all that stuff,

you want to escape. Yeah,

who was the jackass at fan keep
calling it fanfare? CMA Fest. Oh

God, an artist nobody ever heard
of, but he brought Justin

Pierce. Justin Pierce brought
the state senator up on stage at

CMA Fest. People from all over
the world literally come to just

enjoy some country music, or
music in general,

right,

and he brings a Tennessee state
senator to come up on stage and

bitch about Trump and the
Republic

because he wants that artist
wants to be hit, and I hate to

inform him, but the country
audience, and this is what's

happening to Music Rogers,

was that who it was? Yeah,

yeah,

we'll see, that's what's
happening with Music Row, too,

right now, and a lot of the
labels is that a lot of these

kids that work at these labels
are left leaning,

yeah,

and they don't understand their,
their audience doesn't think

like they

do. Well, not even, even that
goes to the ACMs, the award

shows, the CMAs, all that stuff.
You're not seeing these artists

that you know, the Morgan Wallen
factor of him being utterly

ignored. Oh,

I know, and he's huge.

It's like, dude, the guy is one
of the most popular country

artists now, if not of all time,
doing what he's doing. Yeah,

giving him any.. it's like
you're sounding, you're coming

off tone deaf.

Yes,

you know you're not doing
yourself a service by ignoring

this, well,

when Beyonce wins Album of the
Year, I mean, that's that's the

kind of nothing against Beyonce,
talented woman, oh yeah, record

in her own right, but you know,
Album of the Year, come on,

yeah,

come on, that was absurd,

no, it was absurd,

you know, so that's the kind of
mindset you're dealing with for

these award shows.

Well, and look what happened
with, you know, try that in a

small town, they tried to kill
that record because it, you

know, they, they tried to say it
was racist, and the,

you know, the record did great.
And then the video came out. Oh

yeah, that's what turned it,
because you know we talked about

that on another podcast about,
you know, it's the courthouse in

Columbia, Tennessee, is close to
where Jason Aldean lives, and he

had to get out of town quickly,
and you know, so that was

convenient to just film the
video there, blah blah blah, but

yeah,

it, you literally said, Do you
think I, you honestly think I

did my homework on that place
and picked it because of the

reasons you're saying I picked
it. Are you really

well? And let's get real. I
mean, if you're in the South,

yeah,

any courthouse,

any courthouse, any.. I mean,
there are so many locations.

Hell, you go into Franklin, it
is just the

South, Johnny B. Well, that's

true. Yeah, you know that's
right.

You can go into Michigan and
Illinois and Ohio and find the

same damn thing.

Oh yeah, that's true.

I mean, it's with that
particular song, think it is.

They got like, what was the
recent thing they got noted for

was A Billion Streams or
something like, wow,

one of his bigger tunes. Yeah,
it was a great

song. I mean, I loved it. The

production on it just kicks
butt.

Oh, yeah,

yeah. Those

guys have enlightening in a
bottle when it comes to that,

and, but I mean, they just got
presented, and this episode

already came out because I
produced their podcast. They,

they got presented Congressional
Records of, like, kind of that's

what it's called, like a
congressional record plaque,

yeah, for that song. Good song
hunters got it, so glad you know

they deserve it, very well
deserved. But yeah, I just,

again, it seems like, and I know
we've kind of gotten off on a

tangent here, but it just seems
like in the, in the last. 1015

years, entertainers,
entertainment has been so

divided politically to where you
know you're you're faced with

that stuff when you go to a
show. I mean, I, you know, Steve

Earle, God love him. I mean, you
know, he, I consider him a

friend, and I know you know, but

I like his music, but he'll

get up on stage at times and get
into that.

Oh, I know, I'm

just like, you know, Steve. Oh
man, oh man, we just want to

hear you too.

And I don't mind his protest
songs, I mean, he writes good

songs, right? Right, but, and
that's fine, or it's like, you

know, Dixie Chicks, or the
Chicks, I guess they're in call

now. Natalie Mains has stepped
into it again. Yeah, well, boy,

she looks like she's eating all
of it. Looks bad. Oh, she looks

like what was the character in
The Little Mermaid?

Oh my gosh. she'll start
singing,

you poor unfortunate souls, but

you know, I mean, let's face it,
that they can say what they

want, but that killed their
career.

Oh, it did,

you know, it was opted in its
tracks,

and you know, and they blamed,
they blamed radio for it, and

that's not the because I
remember, because you know, I

was working on the Phil
Valentine show at that time, and

we used Dixie Chicks music as
bumpers, and I remember when

that happened. Well, number one,
I backed off, because I thought,

man, this audience isn't going
to, no, and, and I was hearing

it throughout the hallway, that
you know, the radio stations

with Clear Channel and Cumulus,
they were getting, I mean, their

phone banks were,

they got heat, man, yeah,

anytime they played a tune by
the Dixie Chicks, man, people

went, went bliss,

yeah. Well, you know, I'm.. I do
stuff for Westwood One, their

country, their Nash icon format,
which is kind of a classic

country format, and we still
play a lot of the Dixie Chicks,

yeah,

you know. So that stuff, you
know, it still still gets played

quite a bit there.

And what the hell's wrong with
calling yourself Dixie Chicks?

Oh gosh, or Lady, or Lady
Antebellum,

yeah. Now it's Lady A,

yeah, because Antebellum. Oh, we
all know that's that's racist,

race has a racist, racist baby.
Can we see the

Jim Brewer, the comedian? Yes,
Brian Johnson, Hatfield, I mean,

but he did a bit on where his
daughter went to college, and

you know, here we are, first
going off to college, and we're

just so full of emotion and
pride, and sorry to see her go,

and you know, we're setting her
off with all these different

expectations, and how we raised
her, and literally a couple

weeks later, she comes back, and
everything is racist, sexist,

sexist, racist, gender, gender,
gender, racist, sexist, gender.

It's a whole pit that is utterly
hilarious, and it's like, and

only he could pull it off, and
it's true,

indoctrination, man. Oh

yeah, oh yeah. I remember when I
had an ex-wife that had

daughters, and one of her
daughters went to college in

Georgia, and I remember when she
came back, the way she was

talking, it was like, oh Lord,
do you know that, that that

college is it, you know, it's,
it's, it's basically for white

people. There's no way black
people can get in there and are

you talking about, please.

Well, I, you know, my first year
at LSU was during the Iran

hostage crisis.

Wow,

you know, 1979 yeah, and boy,
the there was no liberalism on

that campus at that time. I'm
sure it's changed. Oh, it

has. You know, I remember

I had a political science
professor. He and I used to.. it

was a good, civil, smart dialog
back and forth in class. I mean,

he was your stereotypical left
wing, you know, left leaning

right

college professor,

right,

but, but I really liked his
class, and I liked the way he

taught, you know.

Well, he was doing debate, which
is fine, but he would allow,

you know, and I would even go to
his office after things, and he

would tell me how he enjoyed
sparring with me.

Oh, yeah.

No,

in fact, that's what I missed.
It's that's what was starting to

leave talk radio, because what I
loved about talk radio was the

debate, because that's how you
find answers, that's what, how

you find solutions.

Well, you know, but you know,
let's be real, Johnny, I mean,

even so much of the conservative
talk radio. Now is just an echo

chamber. There's no debate on
that. No,

and a lot of it is unlike you. I
mean, I like some of the things

that Trump has done. I voted for
him, but I don't like everything

he's done. No, and that's what
I'm hearing a lot on talk radio

now, is that it's just like
they, they're worshiping the

guy.

Well, and if you don't, if you,
if you say anything that you

don't necessarily agree with
about what Trump's doing or his

position on stuff, then you just
get lambasted. Oh

yeah,

you know, I mean, well, that

happened to me at WTN before I
was let go. I was guest hosting

one day, and I criticized him
for how much money he had spent

during his first administration,
and I said, I hope he doesn't do

that in his second
administration. And, man, I was

told by the producer, he said,
man, they're saying they need to

get you off the air. Sorry, I
call balls and strikes.

Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, not
everybody. I think it's healthy

to offer these, you know,
differing opinions and such.

And, but it seems like so many
people just don't want to hear

it.

They don't. They want to hear
what they believe. It's like you

say, they just want the echo
chamber. They want the, you

know, I don't know why I miss
debate. I love to hear differing

views, different, you know,
differing issues, and people

discussing it in a calm manner,
not a

yeah, in a shouting match, where
they're

shouting over each other.

Yeah, well, you know, I mean, I,
you know, we've talked about

this before. I do fill in from
time to time on locally here in

Nashville, on the conservative
talk station WTN, to fill in on

news, and you know, I know we
talked about this before, but

you know, I could fill in for a
week, and at the end of that

week I am exhausted. Oh, you

are

from just hearing all of that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Basically,

you know, I mean, not that I
don't want to be enlightened and

kind of know what's going on in
my, in my country, and in events

and things, but gosh almighty,
if I had to, you know, and I,

and I've done my own talk shows,
and, but you know, I talked

about all kinds of things, yeah,
it would be conservative

leaning, certainly with a lot of
stuff when it came to topics of

the day, and that kind of thing,

right,

but you know, we talk about
other stuff, you know, and

well, that's what I loved about
Phil's show, that's why Phil's

show was so fun to me was that,
yeah, we talked politics, but we

also talked about music, we
talked about all, you know, and

I

think, you know, there, and darn
it, I think, and this is just my

perspective, may be totally
wrong, you know, but when it

comes to WTN, for example,
because that's the one I'm most

familiar with here currently. I
will say, gosh, you know better

than I. You were there forever,
you know. They want their red

meat, man,

they do.

And if you start talking about,
you know,

music,

yeah, then, oh, you get the
vitriol. Now, is that a minority

that, that

I don't think it's a squeaky

wheel syndrome to where the ones
that want to bitch are the ones

that bitch the loudest and the
most often.

I think I think it's just that
people that tune into talk radio

now, the majority of them do
want red meat, they want, that's

what, so you do

think that's the majority. I
think it's

changed, yeah, because I think
in the, in the past that wasn't

the case. I think because we
used to, when, when Phil and I

would talk about other things, I
would get all kinds of comments,

oh man, we love when you guys
talk about music, or when you

talk about your families,
whatever, you know, because I'm

getting kind of burned out on
politics a little bit, yeah,

yeah, but I don't hear that as
much anymore.

Well, I will say that of all of
the hosts, and again, not to

just belabor the whole WTM
thing, but again, it's our

reference point here, of all the
hosts, there, Chad Benson, who

does noon to three central time,
he does talk about a bunch of

different stuff.

Yes,

you know, he'll get into music.
He does whole segments, he does

weekly features on one hit
wonders, and that kind of thing,

right?

And, and there are a lot of
people that will comment again,

they've got a text line, and of
course, YouTube, and all that,

where you can comment and
whatnot, and a lot of people

enjoy that, but there are still
those that, boy, they come out

and didn't tune in to hear this
stuff,

right?

You know, I want to hear
politics, I want to hear news to

me, so. I'm out as hell, and I'm
not gonna take it anymore,

exactly. But the.. but I don't
know, maybe Johnny, I mean,

maybe you and I are just kind of
been

in it so long. Yeah,

you know, we're skewed in our..
in our mindset with that, in

that there's so many places for
that stuff.

Sure. Oh, you've got.. well,
hell, God. gosh. Open up

Facebook, my God. Everybody now
is a political pundit. It is. I

mean, I'm getting worn out. Oh,

I know.

I'm sick of.. I

know. So, and as I say, man, I
can feel, and I enjoy filling in

on news. Don't get me wrong, I
mean, I enjoy just being on air,

you know, being on.. well, yeah,
that's

the reason we got into it, yeah,

but Amanda, again, at the end of
a week, after, like, you know,

eight hours of, you know, Trump
is a god and everybody else is

an idiot, yes, like, God, I
just, it's just exhausting. So,

should you give your email out
for all the hate mail to come to

your way,

very easy to find us podcast at
Circling the Drain. On the next

episode, we'll be reading some
viewers. I don't begrudge

anybody for, you know, if that's
their thing, fine, but just for

me personally. Oh my gosh. Well,

see, that's why I didn't. I
mean, I enjoyed being on the

air, but I hated filling in
sometimes, because by the end of

the week,

yeah,

I'd be going, God, I'm so sick,
it's

just so mentally draining. Well,
and I'm

not the kind of guy, because
hats off to people that do talk

radio, like you know, Del
Giorno, Mandus, Murphy, yeah,

those guys, they, I mean, they
eat, breathe, live that stuff 24

hours a day. I cannot do that's

just not me,

that's not me either. And to be
honest, Phil was kind of that

way, he, he liked to turn off
and get away from it, and yeah,

to be checked into that all the
time, so that you've got content

for your show. Yeah, all that.
It just, it's just, well, it's

not a fun exist. You can't
unplug, man. Yeah, it's

not a funny.. I mean, I can tell
by listening to Chris Hand, he

absolutely just. for him,
politics is entertainment.

Yeah, he

enjoys, he enjoys it, and so
that's why he's going to be

successful. Oh, yeah, because he
does a great job, yeah. Oh, he

does a great, he does a great
show, yeah.

And you know, he presents a
younger perspective, yes,

he does.

You know, I mean, he's well,
he's young enough to be my son,

matter of fact, my son and he
and he are the same age. Oh,

yeah, that's my son's age, you
know.

So, but he, he speaks to that,
that age group, and that's

that's great. It is great,

and that's what really the
station needed. I

agree,

because it, because we were
getting long in the tooth, there

were a lot of people, myself
included, no white guy. Yeah,

we've been there forever,

but I did see the other side of
that, you know, when you, the

people who are hearing that kind
of thing, my mother being one of

them. So the last time I saw her
was in her apartment and went to

go, went to go see her in
Orlando, and every time I was

with her, tell me about the
kids, you know, my mom was from

the Bronx, and you know, well,
you know, Cami's doing this, and

I'm a bum. I'm talking about the
kids and everything. Oh, isn't

that nice? And all of a sudden,
just out of now, I'd be like,

"Oh, God, look at this at all,
because she had Fox News playing

in the background constantly.
Yeah, whenever Biden came on,

she's like, "Oh, look at this. I
mean, it's constantly I'm like

looking at her, going, why would
your

grandchildren, I'm telling you
about them, why, why are you,

why are you getting distracted
by this, you know, anthole.

Well, it's like I had the
similar experience with my

wife's father. Oh gosh, number
one, he, he worships Trump, you

know, I mean, the guy can do no
wrong, and it was constant Fox

News the entire time we were
there. Then you had to watch it

with him after it was, you know,
after dinner. We're sitting

there. I told my wife, I said I
feel like I'm at work.

Yeah, what a great way to get
indigestion after dinner. Yeah,

yeah, I want to sit and watch
Sean Hannity tonight. I honestly

think Fox News kept my mother
alive. I bet

you're right,

just, just from the blood
pressure raising and lowering.

Oh, yeah,

you know, just well,

I will admit, if I ever get in a
mood to kind of, you know, check

out a news channel, that's where
I'll go. Yeah, you know, I'll

put.. I avoid it,

you know. I don't watch, you
know, my wife and I, when it

comes to television, and we've
been doing it a lot here lately,

you. Know, we just, you know, we
stream all our TV,

we do too,

and you know, we've been just
burying through all of the

Turner Classic movie stuff on
the on their app. Oh yeah, you

know, just a lot of just
brilliant movies that you never

heard of, right? You know, I
really like a lot of the film

noir stuff, you know, the black
and whites with Robert Mitchum,

and oh yeah, yeah. Hey, I talk
like this

strikes with you, yeah. Okay,
all right, yeah, beat it. The

Dixiecombe, that's right, but
you know, watched The

Big Sleep, the other Nito,
Humphrey Bogart, and Lauren

Bacall, who was just, oh gosh,
sexy, sexy man. How do you feel

about her? Gosh, she was like 19
years old. Yes, pardon me, just

a moment. Yes, I get to get the
camera off, but yeah, it was

just something about a lot of
those, those actresses back

then. Well, back then they were
beautiful, and they, they

were glamorous. Yes, and my

wife loves those movies because
she loves the dresses that they

wore. Sure, you know, sure. And
you know, women were women, and

guys released most of them, some
of them were, oh yeah, but they

didn't know, yeah, but you know,
Marilyn Monroe, I still,

yeah,

she still just takes my breath
away, never really

did anything for me in terms
because

curvy,

because I like

curvy, no,

it's that, well, it was that
whole airhead thing that she

did, and I know that was just,

oh, that was an ax, yes,

of course, she was smart. Yeah,
but you know, but yeah, you

know, the Gene Tierney, and
yeah, just there was just a

glamor about them that I just
really,

and it's missing today,

really enjoy, and again, the
screenwriting and the dialog,

and some of that is so sharp, oh
yeah, so witty, yeah, that's

lost, and now everything, you
know, let's have special effects

and blow shit up,

hell yeah,

you know, I mean, the real
intense storylines and stuff,

you got the

Marvel seems to

be missing, yeah, you do

have the Marvel movie, Marvel,

they have good storylines,

yeah, I haven't seen any of
those in a while, and so you

know they're good, but

not as of late. They kind of
went off the rails after End

Game, a couple of movies. They
got a big one coming up. Oh, we

got the what's coming up is
probably what came coming up

now, but as of this airing, and
it's been out for a month, is

Disclosure Day

Spielberg thing.

Yeah, I like to see that. I'd
like to say, I think we're going

this weekend. Are you really

Spielberg, man? He, you know,
most of the time he hits a

bullseye. Yeah, he does. You
know, not always. Rumor

has it this is the continuation
of Close Encounters of the Third

Guy. Really? Okay.

And what a great time to come
out when everybody's disclosing

all this crap. Yeah, everybody's

into this stuff, that's

right. You know, that's great.
So, who..

I mean, I have seen that, you
know, out there and stuff, but

are there any big name stars in
that, or is it just a lot of

times Spielberg? He'll just,
he'll just put people in this

film. Oh, yeah, you know,

yeah,

that you know, there may be a
big star. Emily

Blunt.

Oh, I like Emily Blunt. Yeah,

she's cool.

She is cool. Yeah, very good.

She's got nice tracks of land.
Yes, she does. Yeah,

nice. What

trucks a land huge, not huge
trucksland? Oh, nice.

Oh, full. Okay. All right. Got a
French lesson here, I guess, not

truck salon, tracks of land, and
we're Monty Python, and the Holy

Grail. She got huge truck salon.

Wow, what knockers? I was being

discreet. Well, well, we're
showing that well, we were still

men, we are still 14 year old

boy men, but whatever

happened to Bridget Fonda? Man,
I always thought she was.. I

just actually saw, yeah, she's

out there with Natalie Mains,
was she's. yeah, she has

changed, she's. she was
gorgeous, be cute

as a button. Oh, she was, and I

loved her on the screen. I mean,
man,

yeah, it can happen

to you. Gosh, she was, boy, and
it has

happened to her. Yeah, it did
happen to her. Yeah, and you

know, and again, I mean, not to
belittle the woman, in terms of,

you know, maybe she's, you know,
had a health issue or something.

Well, she

did have a horrible car
accident. Yeah, and that's when

her, that's when she stopped,
you know, doing any films or

anything. Yeah, and lived more
private lives, so maybe, you

know, pain. Yeah, who knows?
Yeah, who

knows. But I know I have seen
articles about her, so. Anything

that she just really didn't give
a rat's ass about Hollywood or

any of that, and I can

understand that,

you know, and I guess she
probably, you know, that last

name of hers,

yeah,

she grew up in that stuff,

yeah, she did,

and I can certainly see perhaps
just getting totally

disenchanted with it all. Well,

I tell you, if I had enough
money, I would probably go away.

I mean, you know, if I.. so, how

much you need, Johnny? I have
plenty. Whatever you

can hand me, you know, I'll stay
at the house. I even.. I made an

appeal to all the liberal
listeners, you know. I said, if

you don't.. you don't.. Phil
would do the same thing. If you

don't like us, he'll pay us, and
we'll stay home. I said, I won't

even go to the grocery store.
I'll just stay up, I'll walk

around the yard. That's as much
as I'll just

Instacart. Yeah, and bring you
the groceries, yeah, bring me,

yeah, just bring me the
groceries. You'll never see me

again, or hear me,

Bridget Fonda. She's, she got
married to Danny Elfman.

Yes, she did.

One, one child, father is Peter
Fonda, and the paternal aunt was

Jane Fonda. Yes, she just kind
of got out of the business in

Yeah, it's been a while. She's
just

been not doing anything,

yeah, just being a mother. Yeah,

just got one kid,

and I understand she's really
enjoying just being a normal

person

being a regular,

hopefully she was smart about
her money.

I hope so. Well, I imagine she
was Danny hurting. Yeah, he

ain't gonna be hurting for
anything. Boingo Boingo, yeah.

And also all the Batman movie,
all of the

screen, yeah. So,

yeah, they're doing okay.

She has, yeah, she's not
weathered very well. No, she is

not. I think it's again because
of that car accident.

I think it is too. I think that
must, she must have had a lot of

pain, and I know pain
medications can make you, you

know, balloon out and gain
weight.

I mean, not bad. I mean, she's,
she's aged well.

Oh, yeah, she looks fine, but
she's gained a lot of weight,

though.

Yeah,

but you know,

but it could happen to the best.
Yeah, I have no room to talk.

Does

happen, yeah. But you know,
again, growing up, you know,

with that that Fonda name, I
mean, are there any? I'm

wondering, are there any other
Fondas coming down the pike? And

not any that I'm fond of. Yeah,
I was waiting for that.

He's here all night. Ladies and
gentlemen,

try the beef.

Tip your waitresses. Oh gosh,
every

time I hear that, what was that
from The Prices? Right, yeah.

Also, got this one. This one's a
good one. All right, that one's

a good one. It's Kelsey Grammer
falling off of a stage, that one

too. That was a good one, you
know. We had,

we had Trace Adkins on recently,
and I wanted to ask him about

falling off the scaffold
scaffolding at his home.

Oh, really? Because,

yeah, he, I mean, he was

that dude, we should.. he seems
to be somewhat accident prone.

Yeah, he fell

like what, 1215,

man

ended up in Vanderbilt, and he
was telling them, because they

were telling him what it would
be like to recover, and the

recovery would be easier if they
just took off his leg, and he

said, "Well, just take it off,
and they were going, "Well, now

we can, you know. They were
talking, tried talking out of

it, and he said, "But boy, he
looked at it, you know. He said

they've done so much great work,
because I know a lot of vets,

and with what they've come up
with for people that do lose

limbs, he said I can live with
that.

They said your voice will go up
about three octaves, you know,

and that's what changed, but Is

that when I, when I put the
headphones on for the first

time, when he sat down, it was
like he was like,

oh, I know the voice, it's in

your ears, you know, you're up
there, it is,

yeah. Well,

and it makes you feel, because,
like, I said, you know, usually

I feel like a man, but when I
get around that dude, I feel

like a boy.

Yeah, you can hear the
separation of the tones in his

voice. You know what I'm saying?
When you have somebody that has

that deep of a voice, the timber

is there.

That timber, the separation is
what you're hearing. Yes, that

is unreal for me? I mean, it's
like, dude, that guy.. what up?

Gosh, oh, I know.

I wish I had his golden pins.
Yeah, I wish I had his voice.

You know, I still think it's a
crime that he's not any in any

of these Taylor Sheridan,
because, man, he'd be perfect on

land, man.

You never know,

I mean, what a perfect

Taylor Sheridan does listen to
this show, so I mean, maybe

we'll give him an idea.

Oh, maybe. So,

yeah,

because I think I think you're
missing it, Taylor.

Yeah,

because Trace would be perfect
on that, or even Dutton Ranch.

Totally, he would totally fit on
that show.

Maybe we'll get him in season
three when Taylor Sheridan's

moved on to something else.
Yeah,

when he's starting another
project, yeah. Whatever happened

to Lioness? My wife and I loved
Lioness. It was a great series,

and they had two seasons. All of
a sudden, we've been waiting on

season three for years now.

Yeah, isn't that the kid in
Charlie Brown with the blanket,

Linus, is that what you're
talking about? Okay, yeah, I

guess I'm just not as hip as
you, Johnny B.

No, so that was

a good, that was a dad joke. I
liked it.

You got to be one of the
funniest, like

unintentionally. I mean, the way
I look, we're talking about I

thank God every day that we had
that lunch, because when we did

that, I thought, man, I love
being around this guy. Plus,

this dude's got all kinds of
stories, and he is funny as

hell. I thank God that he put us
together. Well,

that's kind of me to say,
Johnny. I feel the same way,

man. And you know it. It's
always.. you know, I always look

forward to coming here. I do
too.

In fact, I came here early
today. Yeah, I was hanging out

here, and finally they came in.
They said, well, we don't know

if Jim.. when Jim's coming back,
he said, 'Where's your other

partner? And I went, 'Oh, that's
right. Oh, yeah, we were

supposed to start later. My guy,

Jonah, texted me. He's like,
'Johnny B's here. And I'm like,

'Oh crap, did I misread my
account? Oh, you

know, you were fine. I goof,

but it was literally when I was
heart jumping into my throat.

I'm sorry, guy, it was

all me. Yeah,

got here three hours early.
That's fine. I

just left all my presents for
everybody here. Went home,

and

you could have stayed. I

could have. He told me I could,
and I thought, well, no, it's

all right. Take

a nap on the couch.

I could have trust me. This
ain't John's

room wasn't being used at the
moment. Go nap in John's room,

and John, keep, keep healthy,
brother.

Yeah,

in fact, John and I were in the
hospital around the same time.

No,

I had that sissy heart thing
going on. I can't compare to

what he went through. He had an

actual heart attack.

Yeah, he did. I didn't,

second in 11 years that he's had
that.

Wow, we gotta have John on
sometime, because bring him on,

because he's a.. I mean, I love
his personality.

He's actually.. his father was
very big in the music business

around here, and in Muscle
Shoals. He used to build

studios,

really.

Yeah, so we can have him on.

Yeah, definitely.

Yeah,

I would love to.

He's very inspired. He's got a
very good command of

philosophies and realistic
motivational techniques, you

know,

but is he as good as us as us at
that,

you know?

I think he's probably better.
No, no, let's not. We like to

keep our gig, but man, this has
been a lot of fun to do, and

I've enjoyed it. And you know,
today we kind of got into some

politics, but that's fine. I
mean, you know, we mostly like

to stay away from that, but this
time it's been too much in the

news and with entertainment as
well,

so I believe if I'm counting
right, this will be episode

number 46 I

want to say yes. So, wow,

Johnny, almost halfway to that

Yeah,

you know, we started in
September of 25

so when we get 100 are we going
to drink, or.

oh, wow,

that's your call, probably

not, probably not a good idea. I

drink after every one of them.
You drink a lot at that baseball

game when I was doing the
announcing. I was like, what's

the deal with that?

Come on, I mean, it was, it was,
it was a little bitty bottle of

Jimmy,

every time, every time I shut
the mic off, you were taking a

swig. I was like, what am I
doing? It's that bad of a job.

After every episode, that's a
new milestone that I celebrate.

I got the whiskey right there.
So you drink

afterward, I drink before. Now,
if we could drink

during, yeah, there we totally
can. I've

done podcasts where we had,
yeah,

that's

nips of whiskey.

I don't drink anymore. Yeah, I'm
a boring best. We're not

doing that. Yep, you ain't much
fun since I kind of got that

when you took me to the,

I enjoyed the Indy car thing we
went to, and I just, I don't

think you thought I was much
fun. Oh, come on, Johnny, would

you want

to do that again?

I might, yeah,

yeah, I just may have to. You
guys make sure you go and tell

me

about it afterwards, like, yeah,
it happened the last time, yeah,

yeah, because I think maybe you
should take Jim this time. I

think my little friend, I think
her

brother's going to be in the
race again. Is

he really?

Yeah, he was in the Indy 500

Oh, wow, yeah,

Jacob Abel,

good for him.

You met his sister, very nice.
Molly Abel, yeah, yeah, I think

I think they'll be in this race
here in Nashville next month, or

actually this month, it's later
this month, because this is

July. So, anyway, I'll just

never forget, you know, you
going up to

Alex below,

yeah, to get a picture with him
out of my review, and a million

girls in real short shorts and
altar tops.

Yes, yep, and maybe, maybe
that's what I'll wear if I don't

know, you think Palo Alex Palo,
who's like the top of the world

in IndyCar racing,

oh yeah,

he

lotus,

you know, he might, might get
another picture with him,

yeah, I think I'm sure he would
just welcome you in short shorts

altar time. Yeah, that old hairy
belly, that's

right. Yeah, well, we sure
enjoyed having y'all in this big

circle in the drain today, and
we'll have a lot of

interesting.. we got more
interesting guests coming. Yeah,

we do.

We got some other folks aligned.
We wish we could tell

you, but we're just not going to
it, yeah,

yeah, but we do appreciate all
of the just, and we knew we

would all the great response to
the Trace Adkins trifecta that

we were excited to get out
there,

sure, and we got a lot of good
response from Sheila Shipley

Biddy,

yeah, I mean, we should stop and
thank all the wonderful guests

we've had. Larry Stewart, Sheila
Shipley, Biddy, Larry Stewart,

Mickey Hayes, Chris

Golden,

Chris Golden. Great episode.
Yes, and we hope to get Gary

Gentry back on if he can find
the place. Did you ever get with

him and get what happened? Did
he, did he, he

got lost,

did he? Yeah, and I gave him
directions,

you know, Trey, I gave Trace
directions, he found it, okay,

yeah, and Mickey, who doesn't
live here anymore, yeah, you

know, Mickey Hayes found it,
yeah, he came

right up to it, but Jim, do you
have that issue with other, you

know, there are other businesses
that happen out of this

facility, do other folks have a
problem finding this place? Why

is it that just the podcast
guests can't seem to find it?

Yeah,

typically because I'm not clear
in my directions. You

think so?

And I will say, long driveway
connected off of the main road.

Yeah, I mean, I

could always tell the people
that are like at, like, with

Trace, I saw his truck pull in
and stop at the foot of the

driveway. He could set, you
could tell the train of thought

he was really this house on a
hill that looks like, you know,

looks like a out of a horror
movie,

but yeah, I mean, but I give it
directions to everybody, you

know, I give them the actual
physical address, give them

directions, you know, June Lake,
turn on the Buckners, second

house on the left, long
driveway, flagpole, but usually

I guess there's not a flag
flying for a while, but I don't

know why we need to get a

flag back up. Yeah, we do seems
to get the Jolly Roger,

yeah. Plus, you know, putting
signage up at some point would

be nice, you know. I'll put out
to put that up, but then

if you do that, then the fans
are going to just go nuts, you

know. Totally, I didn't

think of that, Johnny B.

Yeah,

yeah, that's one thing about
this. I mean, we have the quiet

solitude here, but that would
all change. Oh, it would,

man, they'd be, they'd be
storming the palace,

yeah. And then, instead of
circling the drain, they'd be

storming the

overwhelming the dread, clogging
the dread,

yeah, those Conway Twinie fans.

What was renamed the Comod Cast
of that? Yeah, we're clogging

the drain, yeah.

Maybe we should, maybe that's
our new name, clogging the

drain. I

wonder if we can get that
domain. The cool thing is, we

can have cloggers come in.
That's right, that'd be kind of

cool.

Yeah, the cloggers. But tell the

folks where they can check out
Circling the Drain. Jay,

no idea. You

don't know where it's at.

Oh God. Sure. Well, it's
everywhere. It is of the audio

platforms of the Apple Podcast,
iHeart. We're on TuneIn, I

think, right? We're on the
TuneIn. Sure, we are. I'm pretty

sure we are. Anyway, all of
those Spotify and such, and of

course, you can see our videos
on YouTube, as well as Facebook,

and of course, the website
circlingthedrain.net

and X, don't forget X,

yeah, yeah, I, you know, but I
will admit, X acts funky

sometimes, won't let us get, you
know, I have found that at times

when the videos are kind of long
they act a little goofy, so, but

anyway, that's our desire, so
try to find us there as well.

Yeah, just find us again. Be
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